Cellar Door Skeptics 177: Has Trump been a good President?

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Tonight the episode looks into a debate that was had between two passionate individuals. One of those individuals is a trump supporter and believes that Trump has been a great president. The other debater does not feel that trump is a good president and is hopeful of a change next election cycle.

The debate format is casual, with Christopher Tanner acting as the moderator. The concept of the debate is to allow for the two to discuss some major points about his presidency, policies and some overarching issues of the Republican Party.

The debate initially started when Dallas offered $300 to anyone willing to debate him on if Trump is a great president. They agreed to donate the money to charity once the debate is over.

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Dallas D is taking the side that Trump is a great president and has done a great job.

His bio: “I’m just a guy who likes debating ideas. I am a Nashville musician with a casual interest in politics. Mike and I grew up in the same town and went to elementary school and middle school together.”

Miike S is taking the opposition and doesn’t think Trump has been good as a president.

His position: “I hold the belief that Donald Trump as our president is bad for both America and the world. I believe Donald Trump’s rhetoric of ‘fake news’ and ‘alternative facts’ has cultivated a following that is willing to dismiss facts and scientific research as left wing media and liberal conspiracies. I think it is dangerous to have American voters groomed to distrust any media that challenges their political beliefs. I find his inept tweets and speeches condoning violence embarrassing and dangerous. He has failed domestically, where he demonstrates poor leadership and continues to drive a divide within our nation. He has failed abroad, where he embarrasses our nation, disrespects allies whilst celebrating violent regimes, and abandons the international community’s drive to protect our environment.”

His bio: “I grew up in Evans, GA where I met Dallas in elementary school. I’ve since been friends with him mostly through social media where we’ve discussed different perspectives. I left Georgia in 2005 and moved to California, where I graduated college. I currently work and live in Kalamazoo, Michigan in the pharmaceutical industry as a Group Leader/Scientist in Laboratory Automation and Programming. I don’t discuss politics often since Trump’s election. However, I hold a general interest in different world perspectives and how politics shape societies. This interest has guided my travels to places like the Crimean peninsula, the Middle East, and North Korea. I don’t believe I hold any merit that especially qualifies me to understand Trump’s presidency better than anyone else, and I hope to be viewed as an average voting American sharing my perspective.”

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#83: Is There Sufficient Evidence For The Existence of God?

On this episode Christopher Tanner will be facing off against John Moseman in a live debate. Christopher will be taking the Positive and John will be taking the negative. Christopher will set out to demonstrate that the evidence for the Christian God is lacking and should not constitute a belief in that specific deity.

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10 Min – Pro Opener
12 Min – Negative Opener
7 Min – Pro Rebuttal
5 Min – Negative Rebuttal
10 Min – Pro asking Negative Questions
10 Min – Negative asking Pro Questions
10 Min – Negative Conclusion
10 Min – Pro Conclusion

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DEBATE “Is There Sufficient Evidence For The Christian God” Bios

DEBATE “Is There Sufficient Evidence For The Christian God” Bios

We wanted to do a post that both the Bios and the debate rules in it.  This is the post.  Our goal is to present the most information about our guests and allow for anyone reading this and listening to the show to be able to connect with the debaters.  At Cellar Door Skeptics we strive to present a well rounded and fair debate along with the information needed to give everyone the knowledge we hope they gain from it.  If you follow the episode link to spreaker or to the main podcast blog, you will find all the links both debaters provided that will allow you to follow the information where ever it may lead.

Debater #1: Aaron Furlong (Christian)

12637374_10208312403067664_657775170_oAaron Furlong is 32 years old and currently works and lives in Scottsdale, Arizona. He was born and raised in Florida and still visits his family there often. He was raised in a Christian home but spent many years running from God and he feels very blessed to have the love of Christ in his heart again. He is very close with his father who is an elder of a Presbyterian church in Florida, as well as his mother who is a great Christian encouragement to him. He is also close with his older brother and is the proud uncle of one niece. He studies Christian Philosophers and Theologians such as CS Lewis, Dr. Ravi Zacharias, Dr. John Lennox, and Dr. RC Sproul. However his passion is Presuppositional apologetic. He has been most influenced by the works of Dr. Greg Bahnsen, Sye Ten Bruggencate, and Pastor Jeff Durbin. He’s appeared on atheist podcasts in the past but this is his first formal debate.

I work as a Client Relationship Manager for a payment processing company and travel all over the country to build and maintain partnerships that are profitable for his company. I have moved to a different part of the valley seven times in seven years and haven’t found a Church to call home in North Scottsdale. However, I visit three different churches including Apologia Church where I’ve studied under Pastor Jeff Durbin. This is my first formal debate but did appear on Tanners previous show, Atheist Analysis, four different times where the topics varied from gay marriage, to evolution, all the way to Christianity’s influence on western culture.

Contact: https://www.facebook.com/aaron.furlong.716

Debater #2: Christopher Tanner (Agnostic Atheist / Secular Humanist)Screen Shot 2016-01-31 at 3.54.00 PM

Christopher Tanner is a host and co founder of Cellar Door Skeptics.  He currently works in Kentwood Michigan and is 32 years old. He was born in Ohio and spent his formative childhood in Toledo Ohio. He was raised in a conservative Christian home. His father was the deacon of a baptist church while both his parents were youth group leaders. Christopher attended a non denominational Christian school from 1st through 9th grade. Christopher’s parents moved to Grand Rapids Michigan when he was 15 where he became active in the local baptist church. At the age of 18 he had a crisis of faith with his local church and became an independent denomination. For the next 10 years he spent his time researching different faiths and religions along with alternate denominations.

After long searching, Christopher discovered he saw little evidence that pointed to a God and no evidence to point to a Christian God. Christopher has spent the last 4 years as an out agnostic atheist doing research on theological philosophy and Socratic methods. He has worked for Dogma Debate, Atheist Analysis, Center for Inquiry Michigan, Heretical Minds, Jenison 4 Love, Small Town Allies and lgbtq, Decriminalize Gr, Grillin with Atheists, and now Cellar Door Skeptics. His passion is help to raise awareness over religious beliefs by adding a voice to the conversation that will engage and listen to the opposition while developing conversations that will push the boundaries of the Christian vs atheist debate. He is a feminist, secular humanist, lgtbq ally,  and advocate of separation of church and state. His fist priority is his family and in his free time his pursuit of knowledge.

Contact: cellardoorskeptics@gmail.com

Debate Time Frames

Introduction: 8 Minutes Aaron

Introduction: 8 Minutes Christopher

Cross Examination: 15 Minutes Aaron Asking Questions

Cross Examination: 15 Minutes Christopher Asking Questions

Rebuttal: 5 Minute Aaron

Rebuttal: 5 Minute Christopher

Joint Cross Examination: Christopher and Aaron ask each other questions with a moderator.

Audience Question and Answer: 15 Minutes Lead by Moderator with Questions for Both Christopher and Aaron

Conclusions: 5 Minutes Aaron

Conclusions: 5 Minutes Christopher

Letter from the Editor: I’m Just Tired

As the title says, I’m just tired, exhausted, worn down, exasperated… Does anyone else feel it?

 

Wait, let me elaborate before you sigh and cast your weary gaze to the back button, expecting this to be nothing but a series of complaints from a millennial who actually has to work for his money. You would be quite wrong, of course, as I rarely give people exactly what they expect.

 

As an activist, blogger, podcast host, engineer, homeowner, small business owner, husband, responsible pet owner, and soon to be father of a tiny human female I accept the weariness this will dispel. I understand that life can be filled with siestas and 40 hour cog in the machine workweeks if one can willingly submit. I understand all of these things but that is not the reason for my fatigue, it is the repetition.

 

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Repetition in argumentation, repetition in political idiocy, repetition in online bigotry, repetition in financial irresponsibility, repetition of traditional oppression, and the list goes on and on…

 

I am so tired of the same arguments from the right wing arch conservatives: gay marriage will destroy all moral structure ending in malicious bestiality, deregulation of the economy will create more jobs not slave wages and serfdom, tax breaks-school funding / social programming cuts will force the poor to actually work, and Obama is a Muslim Nazi.

 

I am so tired of reading stories of political leaders announcing their intentions to take big money out of politics when we can see the list of their campaign contributors are the top wall street mega corporations. I am tired of politicians charged with protecting the American people putting “Freedom”, “Patriot”, or “Religious Freedom” at the beginning of some of the most subversive legislation to ever attack our basic human rights. And, I am tired of a two party system that uses unethical financial bullying to prevent decent discourse and the diversity of the people from being represented in our “Democratic Republic” election cycles.
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To Live and Love, A Woman Bares Her Scars in Defiance

I met this woman a couple days ago in a debate group.  She was defending the pro-choice position and she happened to agree with some of my arguments and statements.  So I thought I would request to be her friend on facebook.  Today, she posted what is below, I read it and was genuinely moved.  I think this story, as raw as it is, paints a great picture of a life that even through hardship has come out strong.  She has a desire to fight, a desire to love, and she has endured loss as well as tragedy.  This story is about her life and what she has overcome.  She was responding to a 30 year old who happened to call her old and told her that she was unbelievable.  This woman told her that she was old enough to be her grandmother and that there was no way she could get her facts straight because of this.

 

When I read the post I was in awe that someone would use age as a reason to dismiss what another individual had to say.  So I asked her if she would share her voice with us.

 

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Below is the short story of Karen Zimmerman, a warrior for justice, a mother, a lover, and someone I am glad to have found.  Her story has touched me and I hope that it touches you as well.  This is unedited and raw; please understand the poetry of her words.  Thank you Karen for letting me share this with my audience.

 

-Forward Written By: Christopher Tanner

 
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Dispensationalism: The Answer that doesn’t Answer All your Nagging Questions

It occurs to me that I might be able to shed a bit of light on some of the dark and impenetrable mysteries that occasionally issue from the febrile minds of Christian fundamentalists. The reason I’m in a position to do so is that I was once just like them: a Bible-totin,’ Scripture-quotin’ True Believer™.

 

I had the grotesque misfortune of being spawned by impoverished, uneducated teenage parents whose families had always “belonged to” the Missionary Baptist Church. That church was their default position both socially and intellectually, and they inflicted it on their children. (Actually, they would scold me for misrepresenting them; Missionary Baptists harbor the novel idea that there is no “Church” – there are only “churches.” I won’t bother to try to explain the significance of that abstruse theological notion here.) That’s as bedrock fundamentalist as it gets. Missionary Baptists pride themselves on an absolutely unalloyed, never-to-be-examined-or-questioned embrace of the Blessed Old Leather-Bound Bible, our operator’s manual for life, every word of which is absolutely, unfailingly true from cover to cover.

 

My embrace of the Bible was as ardent as anyone’s: I was as convinced as any fundamentalist you’ve ever met on Facebook or on Main Street that the Holy Bible – preferably the King James Version – is the very Word of the Almighty. I therefore saw atheists as just as dangerous and hellbound – and homosexuals as just as disgusting and abominable – as they do: children necessarily adopt the attitudes of the authority figures in their lives. If they’re lucky – as I was – they later outgrow those attitudes. For those cursed with a modicum of native curiosity, such a belief eventually becomes a powerful incentive to actually read the damn thing, and that’s where some people get into trouble and end up losing their faith. Most either don’t read it, or read it with a special kind of selectivity backed by a scheme of interpretation that I want to talk about here. (NonStampCollector’s excellent “Context!!!!!!” barely scratches the surface: what follows is what lies beneath.)

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Live Debate Sunday! Should Abortion Be Legal with Trent Horn & Jonathan Brotherton

Atheist Analysis S03 E13: Should abortion remain legal? Catholic Apologist Trent Horn VS Jonathan Brotherton

Should abortion remain legal?

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This will be a LIVE DEBATE between Trent Horn and Jonathan Brotherton. They will be debating whether Abortion should remain legal. Jonny will be taking the affirmative while Trent will take the negative stance. Do not miss this debate as it will be a lively debate and we will have audience participation at the end of the show.

If you would like more information about Trent Horn please refer to the following links. http://trenthorn.com/ and http://www.catholic.com/profiles/trent-horn

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“I’m Offended” An Overused and Useless Statement

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No topic, when handled correctly, is above mockery and ridicule. For some reason there are a lot of people in society today that believe “I’m offended by that” is a valid point, as if the other person should immediately stop what they are doing or saying based on disagreement alone. Being offended does not mean that one is right nor does it mean that others should stop what they are doing.  It is the last line of defense that people tend to use when they are unable to come up with valid reasons for their argument. It’s similar to people using faith as an argument for mythology. As comedian Louis C.K. said, “Offending people is a necessary and healthy act. Every time you say something that’s offensive to another person, you just caused a discussion. You just forced them to have to think.” Discussions are good for humanity; it’s how progress takes place. Sometimes people are going to be offended, but life goes on.

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Why is Philosophy of Religion Not Taken Seriously in Academic Circles?

I recently came across an article on Reddit that discussed how philosophy of religion is not taken as seriously as other sub-disciplines of philosophy in academic circles. Even in religious institutions like Notre Dame, such a discipline is not taken as seriously as other disciplines, and students are reportedly told to avoid doing their dissertations on the subject. While it was not mentioned in the article why exactly this was the case, I think that I can offer a speculative theory on the basis of my experiences with debating such topics with religious people.

The core problem with the philosophy of religion, in my experience, and more specifically philosophical arguments for the existence of God, is that there seems to be a certain level of dishonesty inherent in them. This is not to say that believers themselves are dishonest; it is wrong to attack the character of individual believers here. I am merely commenting on the methods used to reach the conclusion that God exists. While most academic endeavors, including those of a philosophical nature, try to remain open minded, to build perspectives based on evidence or reason, and to allow facts or the logical validity of arguments guide one’s views, arguments for the existence of God are often designed to defend one’s preconceived worldviews. Even the use of the word “apologetics”, which is often associated with these kinds of arguments, implies that their purpose is to defend something, rather than build up knowledge. There is no reason in any of the arguments I have seen for the existence of God to place God above other theories, even when the God hypothesis is a valid alternative on the surface.

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