“Democrats Want Open Borders and Hate Walls!” Or Do They…?

Just to be clear, dear conservatives, I have been seeing posts and videos about the supposed “HYPOCRISY” of Democrats and their leadership over border wall spending; just to be sure you are talking about the how they voted for Comprehensive Immigration bills in October 2006 and April 2013 and the passage of the Secure Fence Act of 2006 right? You know, three times where Democrats voted for walls and security and fences and patrols!… Wonder why they did that if they want open borders? Hypocrisy, or at least its definition, more accurately resembles how you are able to make both these claims at the same time… But I digress…

Well, I’ve pulled 4 bills that are relevant here and they are listed below. For the first House Bill I did not include an analysis because its extreme nature made it a non starter even for many Republicans, but it is a reason why the Secure Fence Act passed so it is necessary to include herein.

So, here we go.

  • H.R.4437 – Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005
    • Extreme yuck, you go look it up.
  • S.2611 – Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 (Schumer, Biden, Clinton, Obama Yea Votes) 5/25/2006
    • The major difference between H.R. 4437 and S. 2611 was the proposed legalization for illegal immigrants in S. 2611. The Senate legislation allowed illegal immigrants who have been in the country for more than five years, estimated to be 7 million in number, to apply for citizenship by paying fines and back taxes. Illegal immigrants who have been in the country for 2 to 5 years, numbering around 3 million, would be allowed to stay in the country without fear of deportation, but after 3 years would have to leave the U.S. and could apply for citizenship abroad. Those in the country for under 2 years would be required to return to their original nations. Thus, with some waiting, 10 million illegal immigrants could be eligible to become citizens. The fine is around $2000, but some sources say it could have been higher.
    • The Bill also introduces a H-2C visa, or “blue card.” This visa allows employers to bring in outside workers for up to 6 years, after which the employee must spend one year in their original country. The Bill proposes 370 miles (600 km) of fencing along highly populated areas near the border; H.R. 4437 proposes 700 miles (1,100 km) of fencing.
    • The Bill does not mention any expanded role for local law enforcement for border enforcement tasks (primarily for interior enforcement) the way that H.R. 4437 does. There is an added clause, the Inhofe Amendment, an English-only proposal that makes English the “national language” of the United States aiming at discouraging services in any other language than English (YUCK but an obvious compromise to get a vote and one that should not have been made…).
    • The bill would also increase the annual cap for H-1B work visas from 65,000 to 115,000, with an automatic 20% increase year on year, thus increasing the number of information technology and other professionals from foreign countries eligible to work in the U.S. It also would lower the standard by which judges determine who is eligible for refugee status from “clear and convincing evidence” to “substantial evidence.”
    • It would allow illegal immigrants who later become legal to collect Social Security benefits based on social security credits earned while they were illegal. Also, the United States federal government would have to consult with Mexican officials before commencement of any fence construction on the U.S. side of the border.
    • This bill has been compared to the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.
  • H.R.6061 – Secure Fence Act of 2006 9/14/06
    • Democrats normally in favor of looser immigration laws saw the Secure Fence Act of 2006 as the lesser of two evils, according to a Boston Globe report that detailed the legislative process. Around that same time, the House passed legislation that would make any undocumented immigrant a felon.
    • “It didn’t have anywhere near the gravity of harm,” Angela Kelley, who in 2006 was the legislative director for the National Immigration Forum, told the Boston Globe. “It was hard to vote against it because who is going to vote against a secure fence? And it was benign compared with what was out there.” (H.R.4437…)
  • S.744 – Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act 2013 (Schumer, Sanders Yea Votes)
    • The bill dealt with immigration reform. It proposed to increase some security along the southern US border with Mexico, allow long-term illegal immigrants to gain legal status, and to increase the number of guest workers over and above those already present in the U.S. through a new “blue card” visa program.
    • The sponsor of the Bill, Senator Arlen Specter, introduced it on April 7, 2006. It was passed on May 25, 2006, by a vote of 62-36. Cloture was invoked, which limited debate to a 30-hour period. The parallel House Bill H.R. 4437 would have dealt with immigration differently. Neither bill became law because the two Houses were not able to reach an agreement to go to a conference committee. The end of the 109th Congress (January 3, 2007) marked the defeat of both bills.
    • The bill was voted out of Committee on May 21, 2013 and was placed on the Senate calendar. On June 27, 2013, the Senate passed the bill on 68-32 margin. The bill was not considered by THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY HELD United States House of Representatives and died in the 113th Congress.
    • If enacted, the bill would have made it possible for many undocumented immigrants to GAIN LEGAL STATUS AND EVENTUALLY CITIZENSHIP. It would have increased border security by adding up to 40,000 border patrol agents. It also would have advanced TALENT BASED immigration through a points-based immigration system (you know like Trumpy and the Republicans say they want).
    • New visas had been proposed in this legislation, including a visa for entrepreneurs and a W visa for lower skilled workers. It also proposed new restrictions on H1B visa program to PREVENT ITS ABUSE and additional visas/green-cards for students with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) degrees from U.S. institutions. The bill also included a $1.5 billion youth jobs program and repealed the Diversity Visa Lottery in favor of prospective legal immigrants who are already in the United States.
    • The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimated this reform bill would have reduced the U.S. fiscal deficit by US $197 billion over the next ten years and by $700 billion by 2033. Its report also states that, if the bill had been passed, U.S. wages would have been 0.1 percent lower in 2023 and 0.5 percent higher in 2033 than under current law. The Social Security Administration said that it would help add $276 billion in revenue over the next 10 years while costing only $33 billion.

So yeah, in 2006 with a 1/3 legislative minority the Democrats took a lesser of two evils strategic step and in 2013 supported a comprehensive moderate immigration bill that added border security but also made immigration safe, legal, and fair. One that was not even considered by House Leader John Boehner. Sure, Sanders and Obama and Hillary and Schumer and Pelosi have a history of voting for border security, just like you forgot to read what was actually in the bills.

In conclusion, #Maga Men and Women, your criticisms and smoking guns are generally a bad argument since the Democrat’s bills had much of what you and your president have recently demanded but you wouldn’t vote for it when Obama was in office. Its not my fault you chose to be obstructionists instead of politicians, but you need to at least read something before you say it proves that you are winning.

Cellar Door Skeptics 132: Trump Steaks in Space

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This episode of Cellar Door Skeptics has a large explicit tag attached to the episode.

In the bizarro world we live in, we have seen many changes this week in America. First we saw Space Force announced by commander in chief 45. Then we saw America leave the Human Rights Council because the UN would not do exactly what we wanted. Finally we are watching unprecedented action being taken by ICE and the Federal Government to separate families all in the name of that damned wall.

Chris squared become a little passionate in this episode as they tackle some hard changes the American public has seen in under one weeks time. Join them as they rant, cry, and beg America to change its course before it is too late.

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https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/06/air-force-ready-to-work-on-trumps-space-force-idea-but/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/opinions/trump-space-force-air-force-divide-kirby/index.html
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/haley-pompeo-human-rights-bias/index.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-us-un-human-rights-council-20180619-story.html
https://twitter.com/UNHumanRights
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https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/7721678138830899459
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/06/18/more-flipping-and-flopping-on-immigration/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-policy-separating-children-border-cbp-dhs-2018-6
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/opinion/children-parents-asylum-immigration.html
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/immigration-trump-approval/index.html?ofs=fbi
https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-sessions-delivers-remarks-discussing-immigration-enforcement-actions
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/trump-immigration-religion.html
https://www.facebook.com/629115718/posts/10156552181520719/
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4389585-DemsLetterDHSFamilies.html
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a-family-was-separated-at-the-border-and-this-distraught-father-took-his-own-life/2018/06/08/24e40b70-6b5d-11e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.822c3373ce68
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/they-just-took-them-frantic-parents-separated-from-their-kids-fill-courts-on-the-border/2018/06/09/e3f5170c-6aa9-11e8-bea7-c8eb28bc52b1_story.html?utm_term=.8eaad657fcad

Cellar Door Skeptics 121: MRSA Infects Facebook

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Cellar Door Skeptics pulls out all the stops this week with an Amazing episode ready for your listening pleasure. The show begins with a look at a new antibiotic that is in animal trials that could help super flu diseases like MRSA. They look at what the new study has found and how promising it could be to helping stop the rate of death caused by this awful disease.

After they pour out a little hand sanitizer on their microphones, the duo look at Facebook and its breach of personal integrity and a degradation of Facebook morals. Tanner downloads his facebook history and they talk about the damage done and how it feels Facebook does not want to admit wrongdoing.

The show closes tonight talking about ICE detention centers. After an NPR article was released a few months ago, they decide to look into what detention centers mean and how awful it is to live in a government mandated housing run by for profit companies.

Do not forget if you want to meet Cellar Door Skeptics and share a pint or two with them, they will be at the Michigan Atheist Convention April 7th in Detroit.

#Immigration #ICE #DetentionCenter #Facebook #CambridgeAnalytica #SuperFlu #Antibiotic #Podcast #MichiganAtheist

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https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/8783u2/back_in_2015_a_team_of_scientists_discovered_a/?st=JF8VGVGH&sh=7ef8cf7e
https://newatlas.com/new-novel-antibiotic-success-animal-testing/53943/
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14098
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/02/evolution-in-real-time/
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jmedchem.7b01634#/doi/full/10.1021/acs.jmedchem.7b01634
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/news/uae-health//unregulated-antibiotic-use-could-kill-10-million-people-by-2050
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https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-cambridge-analytica-data-my-download-phone-calls-text-messages-contacts-history-a8274211.html
http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/24/technology/facebook-data/index.html
https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/03/fact-check-your-call-and-sms-history/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/03/27/facebooks-discussions-with-congress-signal-mark-zuckerberg-will-testify-amid-data-privacy-scandal/?utm_term=.458ae46392b6
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https://www.npr.org/2017/11/21/565318778/big-money-as-private-immigrant-jails-boom
https://www.ice.gov/detention-facility/joe-corley-detention-facility
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/living-conditions-immigration-detention-centers.html

 

 

When in Doubt, Blame the Brown People.

There has to be a bad guy, there has to be a face of evil, we need that concentrated source, we have to have a villain… Otherwise we would share in the blame.  We would share in the fault, the creation of a power vacuum, and the growth of an elite ruling class so far removed as to have forsaken any trace of human faculties or characteristics.

Continue reading “When in Doubt, Blame the Brown People.”