“Democrats Want Open Borders and Hate Walls!” Or Do They…?

Just to be clear, dear conservatives, I have been seeing posts and videos about the supposed “HYPOCRISY” of Democrats and their leadership over border wall spending; just to be sure you are talking about the how they voted for Comprehensive Immigration bills in October 2006 and April 2013 and the passage of the Secure Fence Act of 2006 right? You know, three times where Democrats voted for walls and security and fences and patrols!… Wonder why they did that if they want open borders? Hypocrisy, or at least its definition, more accurately resembles how you are able to make both these claims at the same time… But I digress…

Well, I’ve pulled 4 bills that are relevant here and they are listed below. For the first House Bill I did not include an analysis because its extreme nature made it a non starter even for many Republicans, but it is a reason why the Secure Fence Act passed so it is necessary to include herein.

So, here we go.

  • H.R.4437 – Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005
    • Extreme yuck, you go look it up.
  • S.2611 – Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 (Schumer, Biden, Clinton, Obama Yea Votes) 5/25/2006
    • The major difference between H.R. 4437 and S. 2611 was the proposed legalization for illegal immigrants in S. 2611. The Senate legislation allowed illegal immigrants who have been in the country for more than five years, estimated to be 7 million in number, to apply for citizenship by paying fines and back taxes. Illegal immigrants who have been in the country for 2 to 5 years, numbering around 3 million, would be allowed to stay in the country without fear of deportation, but after 3 years would have to leave the U.S. and could apply for citizenship abroad. Those in the country for under 2 years would be required to return to their original nations. Thus, with some waiting, 10 million illegal immigrants could be eligible to become citizens. The fine is around $2000, but some sources say it could have been higher.
    • The Bill also introduces a H-2C visa, or “blue card.” This visa allows employers to bring in outside workers for up to 6 years, after which the employee must spend one year in their original country. The Bill proposes 370 miles (600 km) of fencing along highly populated areas near the border; H.R. 4437 proposes 700 miles (1,100 km) of fencing.
    • The Bill does not mention any expanded role for local law enforcement for border enforcement tasks (primarily for interior enforcement) the way that H.R. 4437 does. There is an added clause, the Inhofe Amendment, an English-only proposal that makes English the “national language” of the United States aiming at discouraging services in any other language than English (YUCK but an obvious compromise to get a vote and one that should not have been made…).
    • The bill would also increase the annual cap for H-1B work visas from 65,000 to 115,000, with an automatic 20% increase year on year, thus increasing the number of information technology and other professionals from foreign countries eligible to work in the U.S. It also would lower the standard by which judges determine who is eligible for refugee status from “clear and convincing evidence” to “substantial evidence.”
    • It would allow illegal immigrants who later become legal to collect Social Security benefits based on social security credits earned while they were illegal. Also, the United States federal government would have to consult with Mexican officials before commencement of any fence construction on the U.S. side of the border.
    • This bill has been compared to the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.
  • H.R.6061 – Secure Fence Act of 2006 9/14/06
    • Democrats normally in favor of looser immigration laws saw the Secure Fence Act of 2006 as the lesser of two evils, according to a Boston Globe report that detailed the legislative process. Around that same time, the House passed legislation that would make any undocumented immigrant a felon.
    • “It didn’t have anywhere near the gravity of harm,” Angela Kelley, who in 2006 was the legislative director for the National Immigration Forum, told the Boston Globe. “It was hard to vote against it because who is going to vote against a secure fence? And it was benign compared with what was out there.” (H.R.4437…)
  • S.744 – Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act 2013 (Schumer, Sanders Yea Votes)
    • The bill dealt with immigration reform. It proposed to increase some security along the southern US border with Mexico, allow long-term illegal immigrants to gain legal status, and to increase the number of guest workers over and above those already present in the U.S. through a new “blue card” visa program.
    • The sponsor of the Bill, Senator Arlen Specter, introduced it on April 7, 2006. It was passed on May 25, 2006, by a vote of 62-36. Cloture was invoked, which limited debate to a 30-hour period. The parallel House Bill H.R. 4437 would have dealt with immigration differently. Neither bill became law because the two Houses were not able to reach an agreement to go to a conference committee. The end of the 109th Congress (January 3, 2007) marked the defeat of both bills.
    • The bill was voted out of Committee on May 21, 2013 and was placed on the Senate calendar. On June 27, 2013, the Senate passed the bill on 68-32 margin. The bill was not considered by THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY HELD United States House of Representatives and died in the 113th Congress.
    • If enacted, the bill would have made it possible for many undocumented immigrants to GAIN LEGAL STATUS AND EVENTUALLY CITIZENSHIP. It would have increased border security by adding up to 40,000 border patrol agents. It also would have advanced TALENT BASED immigration through a points-based immigration system (you know like Trumpy and the Republicans say they want).
    • New visas had been proposed in this legislation, including a visa for entrepreneurs and a W visa for lower skilled workers. It also proposed new restrictions on H1B visa program to PREVENT ITS ABUSE and additional visas/green-cards for students with science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) degrees from U.S. institutions. The bill also included a $1.5 billion youth jobs program and repealed the Diversity Visa Lottery in favor of prospective legal immigrants who are already in the United States.
    • The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimated this reform bill would have reduced the U.S. fiscal deficit by US $197 billion over the next ten years and by $700 billion by 2033. Its report also states that, if the bill had been passed, U.S. wages would have been 0.1 percent lower in 2023 and 0.5 percent higher in 2033 than under current law. The Social Security Administration said that it would help add $276 billion in revenue over the next 10 years while costing only $33 billion.

So yeah, in 2006 with a 1/3 legislative minority the Democrats took a lesser of two evils strategic step and in 2013 supported a comprehensive moderate immigration bill that added border security but also made immigration safe, legal, and fair. One that was not even considered by House Leader John Boehner. Sure, Sanders and Obama and Hillary and Schumer and Pelosi have a history of voting for border security, just like you forgot to read what was actually in the bills.

In conclusion, #Maga Men and Women, your criticisms and smoking guns are generally a bad argument since the Democrat’s bills had much of what you and your president have recently demanded but you wouldn’t vote for it when Obama was in office. Its not my fault you chose to be obstructionists instead of politicians, but you need to at least read something before you say it proves that you are winning.

Cellar Door Skeptics 161: Hugs or High Fives with Sara Cunningham of Free Mom Hugs

Cellar Door Skeptics is bringing you not one, but two charities of the week. Their segment talking about local charities is extended this week as they interview Sara Cunningham of Free Mom Hugs, an organization dedicated to help other parents realize the having children whom are LGBTQ is wonderful and normal. Sara tells her story about how she left conservative christian beliefs and came to the understanding that her beliefs should never dictate who she loves. She talks about her organization Free Mom Hugs, how it started, and the desire to help make an impact on society to shed the ridiculous idea that LGBTQ people are not deserving of love.

Check out our full unedited interview on Patreon for a longer version of our discussion.

After talking about the different charities, the duo tackle the highly controversial video of the MAGA hat wearing youth, their confrontation with a Native American Elder, and why even with the longer video we need to stop and examine the evidence before letting these children off the hook. Chris Squared take a deep dive into an emotional subject and look at some of the reasons they feel the situation should be given a second look without just accepting what the media said. This segment is full of passion, as both of the Chris’ wade through how the situation could have been handled better by the children, and how even if they were screaming, how their MAGA hats represent the hate and racism embodied within our society.

The show ends as always with Hanna’s and Tanner’s Infamous Quick Saves of the week.

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Intro Segment: RIP Heretic Women
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe3665qM1r42N9LZArM31wg
https://www.facebook.com/BeyondTheTrailerPark/
Segment Local Charity of the Week: VFW National Home for Children
https://www.vfwnationalhome.org/
https://greatnonprofits.org/org/veterans-of-foreign-wars-national-home-for-children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbT2GqrKjJI
Segment: Interview with Sara Cunningham founder of Free Mom Hugs
https://www.freemomhugs.org
https://www.aplos.com/aws/give/FreeMomHugsInc/general
https://www.facebook.com/FreeMomHugsMichigan/
https://www.amazon.com/How-We-Sleep-At-Night/dp/1499725388/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Segment: MAGA Hat Kid Inspiring Racism
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nick-sandmann-native-american-maga-protest_us_5c452fa7e4b027c3bbc2f869?fbclid=IwAR39OshxQ1fXQ5E2c2_KHT4NOSRNM0mVkulQO9RglIdtaEcIMonsOW4-v4I
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/01/viral-clash-students-and-native-americans-explained/580906/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/maga-hat-teens-native-american-second-video/index.html
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/01/20/smirking-maga-hat-kid-i-was-just-saying-a-silent-prayer-during-that-encounter/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvbsqk0HOWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3EC1_gcr34
Segment: Quick Saves of the Week
Tanner: BagMan Podcast by Rachel Maddow
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/09/683414660/rachel-maddow-draws-lessons-from-spiro-agnew-on-bad-behavior-by-people-in-office
Hanna: How Tax Brackets Work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJhsjUPDulw

Cellar Door Skeptics 119: Trump’s Tariffs and Michigan Atheist Convention

Cellar Door Skeptics is back with another amazing episode chock full segments ready to educate and anger you. The show begins with a memoriam tribute to all those who no longer work in the Trump Administration. The duo continues as they talk through the new steel and aluminum tariffs that Trump and the GOP are pushing on the world. They discuss the effects this could have on different industries and how maybe it is not the best way to Make America Great Again.

Then a great interview with Steve from Michigan Atheist joins the show to talk about the upcoming convention and the history of the Michigan Atheist Organization. This is a great local conference that is worth getting everyone together to talk about family this year.

Lastly the Chris Squared address what to do when well known and influential scientists, present material that conflict with the current scientific theory. They address how to handle it while ensuring that we all remain skeptic. They want to believe, but ensure a challenge is in place to not just accept bunk science. We all know not all science can be believed just because the person presenting it is well known or had an amazing discovery.

#MAGA #Tariff #MichiganAtheist Convention # DonaldTrump #Memoriam #Podcast #ScientificMethod #Science

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Links
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43337951
https://www.vox.com/2018/3/8/17097206/trump-tariffs-congress
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-trump-electrolux/electrolux-puts-250-million-u-s-investment-on-hold-over-trump-tariff-hike-idUKKCN1GE1P0
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/trumps-protectionist-steel-tariffs-criticized-by-economist-adam-posen.html
http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/02/news/economy/why-no-one-wins-trade-war/index.html
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-officials-left-trump-administration/story?id=49334453
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https://www.meetup.com/MichiganAtheists/events/246696872/
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/michigan-atheists-30th-annual-state-convention-tickets-42926217472
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https://buff.ly/2FItay9
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/01/15/463237871/episode-677-the-experiment-experiment
https://www.npr.org/2015/08/28/435416046/research-results-often-fail-to-be-replicated-researchers-say
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-adhd-controversy/

Cellar Door Skeptics 114: Deportation without Explanation

Better late than never, Cellar Door Skeptics is back this week with a more serious episode than the previous week. This week the duo tackles Mexican American Repatriation. They talk about how America has before exported immigrants both legal and illegal without much consideration of the family. As the team learns about how history seems to repeat itself, they reflect on how Trump wants to bring back deportation without explanation.

Their conversation continues with another discussion on income inequality. This time though they analyze a study that has come out about how 1% of owning more than 80% of the wealth last year. The analysis does not just cover our country but the whole world.

The closing segment shares their views on the new solar tariffs that the current administration is going to allow. They talk about how the coal industry and oil industry will be able to continue their pollution tactics while harming the solar industry. Also the new tariffs do not demonstrate a desire to grow local businesses as local business to the US make all the components for the frames that are used in the US. We talk through how the new tariffs won’t help make america great again.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/americas-brutal-forgotten-history-of-illegal-deportations/517971/
https://www.npr.org/2015/09/10/439114563/americas-forgotten-history-of-mexican-american-repatriation
https://timeline.com/in-the-1930s-we-illegally-deported-600-000-u-s-citizens-because-they-had-mexican-heritage-f0c5d589a5c3
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http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/21/news/economy/davos-oxfam-inequality-wealth/index.html?sr=twCNN012118economy0707PMStory
https://www.rt.com/business/416644-worlds-richest-wealth-oxfam/
https://www.oxfam.org/
https://politicsofpoverty.oxfamamerica.org/2018/01/the-state-of-our-world-prosper-together-or-suffer-apart/
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/us/politics/trump-solar-tariffs.html
http://time.com/5113472/donald-trump-solar-panel-tariff/
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/24/donald-trump-cant-stop-back-solar-and-wind-power.html
https://phys.org/news/2017-06-opinion-trump-renewable-energy.html

#8: Through the Attic Window – Made In America

#8: Through the Attic Window – Made In America

A window of opinion to the light the dark attic of the world’s mind.  Cellar Door Skeptics presents their opinion series tackling different view points the hosts only dare to show those willing to join in and listen.  Through the Attic Window is a classically elegant, simple, and rare emotional experience about the complex nature of this world.

This episode we will be talking about how much of your cars are made in america.  We tackle our opinions on whether or not these cars are made here or if most of these cars are imports.  And we take a bigger look at whether or not other countries are profitting off of our dollars or if this is just the right trying to push us to believe that companies started in america are just the nationalist tint that blinds everyone.  Join us for another opinionated episode from the group that brought you Cellar Door Skeptics.

#MadeInAmerica #MAGA #BailOut #Automotive #Manufacturing

 

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http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html

https://www.cars.com/articles/the-2016-carscom-american-made-index-1420684865874/

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2016/01/05/fca-sales-rose-13-2015-record-year-autos/78268882/

https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Toyota-North-America-Assembly-Line-Worker-Hourly-Pay-E3544_D_KO21,41.htm